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Hair with Clare & Georgia Podcast (2023-11-09 10_09 GMT)

Clare: ​Hi, and welcome to Hair with Clare. I’m your host, Clare Devereux. I’m a psychologist, a stylist, and founder of Hair Health Essentials. Join me every week with my guests where we talk about big hair, short hair, loud hair, quiet hair, shedding hair, wedding hair, everything in between the nasty and the good, and where you can find out how to have a good hair day.

Every day we’re gonna unlock the secrets to healthy locks.

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Clare: So hi everyone. And welcome to hair with Clare. I’m your host, Clare Devereux. And today I have another fabulous, intriguing guest on. Her name is Georgia Rose and she is a sexologist. Now I’ve never spoken to a sexologist, so I’m very excited about that. And she’s also going to share with us her healing journey from cancer recovery, holistic approach to it.

So I’m very excited to have you on today, Georgia Rose. Welcome all the way from London. I’m here in Dublin. Um, and welcome on to the show. Thank you very much for having me,

Georgia: popping my podcast cherry. I haven’t done one of these in a very long time. So it’s kind of good to be

Clare: back. It’s like riding a bike.

That’s what I said to you just before we got on. Um, so first of all, tell me how you became a sexologist. Cause I did obviously look at your bio. I, I found you online actually. Somebody, um, a very big hairstylist who I saw at a hair show a couple of years ago, she actually followed you and she put up one of your posts on Instagram a couple of years ago.

And I started to follow you and I was intrigued. And then obviously you had your whole diagnosis with cancer and I followed you all the way through and your hair journey with that, which is why I think it’s amazing to have you on, because I think it’s great to have someone on talking about all these things that other women can relate to.

But if you can tell me about your background a little bit, how you became a sexologist. Um, that would be amazing to start with.

Georgia: Yeah, sure. So, um, a sex, do you know what a sexologist is? I, I

Clare: think I do. I think women will come to you to talk about maybe having a lack of self esteem or not being able to reach an orgasm.

So I imagine it’s a self discovery in a way, um, trying to find pleasure. I, uh, would I be right? No, yeah,

Georgia: a hundred percent because I’m like an allergist or I was trained as a sex coach. Lots of people think that I’m kind of at the bottom of a bed watching you have sex with a whistle telling, telling people what to do or what not to do.

Uh, so I don’t do that, but I think I was like, you know, the kind of sex coach is what kind of brings that up for people. But, um, Yeah, so I am a trained clinical sexologist and sex coach, but what started off this whole journey was I was kind of in my mid twenties and I admitted to a bunch of girlfriends one evening at a dinner party that I’ve kind of faked my orgasms and Everyone admitted to doing the same and I just kind of went away from that dinner just being like, what the fuck is going on?

Like, why are we doing this? Like, I thought we were all like feminists and you know, we were all these like strong, empowered women, but actually in the bedroom where we’re not, we’re, we’re faking orgasms and trying to impress and perform for men. So it kind of kickstarted this. sexual awakening, I guess, and a big kind of personal journey for me.

And I started to blog about it, and blog about my journey, but also my research, and I carried out a huge research project, and spoke to over 500 women about their sexual experiences, and their sexuality, and I discovered a lot of shame, I discovered a lot of misinformation, um, and… Yeah, I just felt that it was such a kind of, it was just such an interesting project and it really opened my eyes to the fact that we live in quite a sex negative world, but I think we kind of think that we don’t.

So, um, I just really wanted to hold space for honest conversations about sex and I also wanted to make it my job. I kind of developed, I was getting asked to do some talks and hold workshops, so I trained as a sexuality professional and I went down the route of a clinical sexologist and sex coach. So my specialism is in helping women feel more confident and yeah, have more sexual self esteem and connect to their body and their sexuality.

So. So

Clare: most women that come to you are having a They have never had an orgasm, perhaps, and a lot of it is about body confidence, do you think, as well? Is it about how they see themselves, and that’s why, or they’re trying to please someone. What do you, what do you think brings women to that, to that point, where they’re not having any pleasure in the bedroom?

I think… It’s

Georgia: because we’re very hung up on what is normal and we subscribe to this idea of what is normal sex. And normal sex is, normal sex, is what’s um, presented to us in the media. Or in porn or in magazines because we don’t talk about it properly, you know, we don’t have these honest conversations with each other, um, and we don’t have any proper sex education.

So we have this idea of, I call it red hot, red hot sex, which is this sort of idea of, yeah, what is normal. So it’s this idea that we have like spontaneous desire, passion and sparks that kind of come out the ether somehow and kind of tear off our clothes. And then we have like, Penetrative sex, you know, we’re like completely aroused, have penetrative sex, we have orgasms aplenty, you know, ideally simultaneously and we just feel really amazing and satisfied afterwards.

And if we don’t conform to that model, then I think we internalize like huge amounts of shame and we make like very, very big assumptions about ourselves and we get really blocked and we get really stuck. And It’s just very important that we kind of unsubscribe to this, from this model. We deconstruct pretty much everything we think we know about sex and we relearn so we know and understand that sex can be so much more than red.

There’s all these other colors that we can explore.

Clare: Very interesting. Got so many questions for you. So what do you think they should be teaching in schools for starters? I have a young daughter and I think, what do you think that they should be teaching young girls about their bodies and about sex? Do you think, like, that should change, that should change dramatically?

Yeah. Yeah.

Georgia: Yeah, well, when I was at school, we were just taught not to get pregnant, and not to have STIs. Right. Um, so it was a very, kind of, I’d call it very sex negative. We didn’t talk about pleasure. We didn’t talk about, um, our bodies, honestly, like, in America, I think tons of states teach abstinence only sex education.

So it’s not, um. Um, realistic sex education, like people are going to have sex. Yes, we need to teach safe sex. Yes. We also need to teach young people about our bodies and about pleasure and how to respect one another. And teach them the realities of sex in a kind of age appropriate way.

Clare: Of course, yeah of course.

So you’re thinking most women out there think it should be movie star sex, so it’s going to be all this fireworks and when it’s not that they’re disappointed. So that’s, that’s what happens a lot you feel. And when you get

Georgia: disappointed I think it’s just, um, you make this kind of huge. assumption about yourselves and you can get incredibly anxious about sex and frustrated and then if you’re not, sex is about, you know, good sex is about connection, it’s about being present, it’s about intimacy and it’s about kind of relaxing into a journey of pleasure.

And so if you’re getting very caught up in function, you know, what the genitals are doing, what they aren’t doing, like what’s your partner thinking, how am I looking? That’s not what sex should be about and that’s a kind of a real barrier to you really just melting into it and enjoying Spending an intimate time with another person.

Clare: I like that melting into it. I like that. That’s a good phrase phrase so, um, so tell me when someone comes to you and Obviously, it’s a one to one and you do it virtually you do virtual coaching one to one or do you see you at your home as well? Do you have a practice?

Georgia: Um, I don’t have a physical practice.

I was sort of setting all of that before I got diagnosed. So I do kind of, well, I was doing workshops and events and yeah, seeing people one on one. So if they were in London and we would meet up, it depends. Sex coaching is different to therapy. Therapy is, um, well, it’s like. I know what lots of people know about the therapy, you know, it’s quite very much, you know, in the same place, it’s quite hierarchical, you’re on the couch, um, it’s, you know, the therapist is sort of, yeah, it feels like a bit more of a hierarchical dynamic, whereas coaching is a bit more Um, collaborative, I would say.

It’s a bit more, uh, interactive, a bit more collaborative, a bit more dynamic. So, I could take my clients shopping, for example, we could meet over a coffee, we could go for a walk, um, I could take them to a, I don’t know, a SNL, um, yeah, a sex dungeon, you know, meet certain professionals, you know, you can do all these different things, so it, it’s, it’s not always just, in the kind of room.

Right. Yeah, so I had, you know, clients in London, sometimes I would meet up with them or take them to workshops with me if I thought it’s going to be helpful for um, our work together, or we’ll just do it on online.

Clare: Yeah. What happens at a workshop? If someone’s going to go to one of your workshops, what do they…

Do you think people are very nervous coming along to something like that? Do you think it takes a while for people to kind of relax and melt into it a little bit to talk to you and be honest with you? Yeah, I think so. I think sometimes

Georgia: people think, you know, I’m going to wick up my knickers, or we’re all going to wick up our knickers.

You know that I’m against that. That’s happened.

Clare: I’m glad you clarified that, Georgia. That’s good. I’m glad you, if anyone listening, you don’t have to, to whip off your knickers. What a line. I love that.

Georgia: I only do talk, you know, talking, um, workshops and events. You know, I have friends and colleagues who, um, are more like body workers and there might be kind of some nudity involved, especially if you’re going down the more kind of tantric route, but I don’t personally do that myself.

Um, so yeah, my workshops would be. It’s the deconstructing, you know, happens and there’s a lot of mindset things, relearning, understanding things about sex that you might not know, you know, known before, um, to try and Spark a new perspective of looking at sex, I think and then I always try and do practices and share tools and So there are actually like some practical things and people can take away and use Either in practice with themselves or with a

Clare: partner Wow.

Fascinating. So tell me about your cancer journey because obviously when I was following you, you were diagnosed and perhaps you’d be able to tell my listeners about your symptoms and how you came to be diagnosed in the first place before we get into the rest of your

Georgia: journey. Sure. So I was in Ibiza. I was sort of, Carving a life to move to the sea and the sun and move to Ibiza.

That was sort of a dream that I had that I was working really hard towards. And it was sort of all happening. So I had been in Ibiza for three months and was just about to start applying for a visa. Um, and I started getting a few symptoms whilst I was in Ibiza, which I put down to stress or long COVID.

So I had chest pain. Um, intermittently, I had bruises on my body, like a funny little rash, kind of on my arm and on my face and like, you know, I was a bit breathless going on hikes, you know, nothing crazy, um, but kind of putting it all together and, and Also, at the time I was doing a lot of work on connecting with the body and I felt like I was in a very, like, mindful relationship with my body at the time, which I think helped and I just knew that something was off.

I just knew it with all these things kind of put together. I was like, there’s something wrong. And so when I went back to the UK, I was. I was very pushy. I went, you know, I just, I advocated for myself in a big way. I went to the doctors immediately. I was very pushy. I said, I know there’s something wrong. I want you to do all the tests, even though, you know, I was 31, you know, healthy and fit, you know, kind of what they Assume that and anyway, very, very pushy demanded a kind of medical and they did listen to me and yeah, after doing an MRI, they found an 11 centimeter tumor right next to my heart, which was non Hodgkin’s lymphoma, which is a type of blood cancer, which I never heard of before ever.

So that was, uh, Yeah, just a huge surprise, just a curveball, really, and just whilst you’re kind of planning one thing, you know, the rug is kind of pulled from under your feet and, you know, it was just a, a total shock. Total

Clare: shock. And so on that journey, obviously I followed you and you have documented your hair journey on that as well.

With hair with Clare, would you talk to so many people that have different hair experiences? And, um, I actually love the photos that you put up every, I saw the whole collage of all your photos from the very beginning. And I mean, it’s obviously, I think one of the main things, obviously your, your health is so important when you’re diagnosed, you’re obviously your survival, everything like that, but your hair is so important to women.

And, and it’s not something I think that, you know, it should be, put away to something, you know, Oh, you know, you’re worried about how you look. It’s so, it’s kind of part of you, isn’t it? How your hair, how you represent yourself, if your hair was always long or whichever way, if you had like a very vibrant color in your hair, it’s kind of how you represent yourself to the world.

And I think for me, when I deal with a lot of people. That are growing their hair after chemo and maybe they’re having difficulty with that, their hair is very thin or it’s not really the way they want it to be. The main thing is they’re so happy their hair is growing back but also they just felt like just not themselves at all during that time.

Because they just, it was like their identity was gone in a way. And it really affected their self esteem. So that’s obviously why wigs are so amazing and so fabulous. So tell me what that experience was like for you, if you don’t mind, and your wigs. Because I saw that you have this pink wig, and I would love you to share that story.

Because I think it’s, I’ve obviously read about it on your Insta, but I would love you to share that story about your pink wig and what that meant to you, and how you’ve… Kind of works that into a whole other thing now, which I think is fabulous

Georgia: Yeah, yeah, I think with the hair, I mean, I learned a lot about my relationship with hair during this whole Experience and you know having cancer is a very surreal experience, you know, like it’s It’s, it’s a real, it’s a very specific, strange experience, and it’s very much compounded by the fact that you lose your hair and you look quite unrecognisable and you don’t quite, um, look like yourself.

So it just kind of adds to the fact that it’s a very strange experience. Um. And yeah, you’re right about this sort of, like, we have a kind of uniform, don’t we, that we kind of present to the world and um, we would do that by our hair, our fashion, our makeup, you know, whatever and I’m not, I’m not, I don’t usually wear loads of makeup at all.

And my hair used to be so long, you know, it went down to my elbows. I had like real mermaid hair. And I think I didn’t realize that my hair did a lot of the talking for me. You know, it was like very much an identity that I presented, which was quite, you know, like hippie, dippy. And I kind of like didn’t realize how much I relied on it for not only my femininity and like, I, I felt very kind of confident with my hair, but, um, Yeah, my kind sense of self, my self-esteem.

So it’s a weird, it’s a really weird thing. And it’s weird when you have no hair and like my dog has very long hair. She’s a long hair dog. And you’re jealous of your dog . You’re jealous. It’s very weird. So many like weird things. Have I get it.

Clare: I tell, I get it, you know, I get it.

Georgia: Come on your hair. Um,

Clare: so the pink wig.

Yeah.

Georgia: So I. You know, like many, many, many women do. I, I went and got, um, wigs. And I decided to have fun with my wigs. Um, you know, apparently a lot of the, the wig master, I don’t know what his name was, the wig man, who I went to see, he said that the majority of women want to get wigs. That look like their old hair and so that they could kind of fit, reinforce their sense of self.

Whereas I came from it from a different attitude. I really wanted to have a bit of fun with it. I think I was really inspired by Samantha Jones in Sasson City. You know, she was like, a lot of hair loss. And then she goes like, I’ve turned a lot of hair loss into some hair gain. And you know, she had these like really fabulous wigs.

So I really wanted to have fun and just channel different styles through my wigs. Yes. And so, yeah, one of them was the pink wig, um, which I wore and, you know, I’ve kind of, um, put it on my Instagram, and since then, um, this really lovely woman got in touch with me, you know, during, you know, after I finished treatment and I was in remission, and she’s just asking, A, for advice, and B, where my wig came from.

Yeah, to cut a long story short, we’re now friends and, you know, I’ve shared so much advice with her, but I also gave her my pink wig and she’s been wearing that throughout treatment. I know it’s given her a lot of confidence and made her feel really, really beautiful during times when, you know, she, I think she went to a wedding and, you know, she was very much on show and, um, it really brought her more, yeah, self esteem for those particular events.

And so what we want to do is… Kind of pass that wig along so she’s not the only person that’s passed you there’ll be kind of another woman that she can pass that wig to and it’s sort of a symbol of passing along wisdom as well because There’s there’s certain ways that I approached cancer which wouldn’t appeal to everyone but for her She took a lot of strength from some of the things that I did and so there’s a sort of idea of kind of bypassing along wisdom and and Supporting other women really going through this, this very big challenge.

Yeah,

Clare: it’s a great, I love that story, I think, and that you met with her and you got on really well and it’s amazing how people come into your life, isn’t it, really? And, and how you can share everything that you’ve learned, which is amazing through this. And I think also when I was reading through things and I followed you, um, you have a very holistic approach to everything.

And I think, I mean, were you kind of torn initially about doing chemo and about. Taking a very holistic approach to everything. Yes, I

Georgia: was. I really, really was. There was a kind of moment where I really didn’t want to do chemo. I think I was very immersed in quite alternative communities and thinking before I got diagnosed and there’s quite a big um, resistance to what they call like conventional medicine, which I actually really don’t like that phrase anymore because It makes it sound really creaky and old and dusty when actually conventional medicine aka Western medicine is super cutting edge and modern and We’re updating it every every day.

So really really don’t like that phrase anymore. Um, so yeah, I had a real resistance I also from a family point of view my aunt had cancer 15 years ago, and she died during chemo So it was you know, like a I was very, very nervous about it. Um, and I’m aware there are limitations within, you know, the world of medicine.

It’s not very, um, it’s not. always designed with the kind of single individual person in mind, you know, it can be a bit of a full sweep, like you do this, let’s go, and they don’t really take into consideration like the singular person. Um, so, you know, there are, there are limitations. Uh, but I kind of decide, you know, I had such a huge tumour.

It was sitting right next to my heart. I was passing out a lot. Um, It was pushing on very big arteries around my heart. And so I kind of realized I didn’t really have too much time to make this decision and not going down the chemo route, you know, it really could have cost me my life. And I also decided that you don’t have to live in this binary world.

You don’t have to, you know, turn your back on Western medicine and only do alternative things or vice versa. You can actually. Hold hands with both and I decided to walk down the path of treatment Doing both of those things and that was definitely the right decision for

Clare: me Definitely. Yeah, and what about recovery?

I mean, what do you do other practices that you are that are more holistic that you that you do now or um I mean, do you think that you’d like to move back to Ibiza? Is that something, you said that was a dream and, and you were so close to it. Is that something that you would like to do moving forward?

Georgia: It’s hard, you know, my post cancer story has been really complicated by a lot of family trauma. Like my, my father passed away a few days after I was given the news I was in remission. And so that was a huge shock. It happened very kind of suddenly. And I

Clare: was so sorry about that. I saw that on your Instagram as well.

Georgia: Yeah, it’s, um, it was, you know, such a big shot and then sort of just. As I was sort of feeling a bit more like myself, my mum then got diagnosed with cancer. So it’s just been a total crazy year, to be honest. Um, I think when so many kind of quite traumatic things happen to you kind of in succession, I don’t actually look back at my cancer journey with, through a lens of trauma actually, because I really felt that it was It was an assignment through which I had to grow through and it was a real like massive initiation.

I really believe that I would come through it stronger and it would be kind of given to me as a sort of, yeah, as an assignment really, uh, and I’d really like rise from the ashes. Um, but I feel like I’m still kind of in the fire and the Phoenix will rise,

ongoing journey, but yeah. So. I’m still in London. The idea of being away from loved ones at the moment feels not quite right and kind of starting completely afresh away from My kind of big support network here, although I do have friends in Ibiza, you know moving country It’s, it’s, you know, it’s a big demand on your energy and on lots of things really.

So it’s London for now, but the dream is still there.

Clare: I think Ibiza would suit you. I’ve never been to Ibiza, but it does look absolutely gorgeous. And I saw that you’ve traveled quite a bit this year, so, which is really good. And you were in Miami recently. So what did you think of Miami?

Georgia: I love Miami. I really didn’t think I would.

Clare: Really? Why? Why did you not think you would? That’s interesting. I don’t know. I guess I, I just. I don’t know.

Georgia: I just thought it was kind of like a bit of a party town and, you know, like I kind of only knew about like South Beach and like high rise buildings. I didn’t kind of realize how tropical and beautiful it can be.

And you know, it felt a bit like the Caribbean and stupidly, I didn’t know about the huge Hispanic influence there. I love that.

Clare: And the music you feel like you’re in Cuba sometimes, don’t you? Like it has that. feel and I love Miami, I have to say, but I think like every city it’s, I suppose, and even like Ibiza, when you think about Ibiza, a lot of the time you think of a party island and yet it has all this other beauty.

So I suppose Miami has that, I suppose that thing about it as well, where it’s all South Beach and it’s all nightclubs, but there’s so much more. And Florida, I think, is actually very beautiful. The beaches are gorgeous. And I think for getting away for yourself, I’m sure it really did you the world of good, you know, I’m sure you came back feeling.

Georgia: Oh, amazing. I think something that I’ve learned as well, like, um, you know, from a holistic point of view, you know, you can have all these practices, you know, like you need to meditate and yoga and go and, like, release your anger by screaming into, you know, an empty forest, you know, all these kind of really holistic practices, which I really kind of do throw myself into, but also there’s just a really simple idea of having fun and being around your friends and just.

Having a really good time, like that’s something I think the holistic self development, you know, whatever the wellness world can sometimes be really serious. Yes. Really serious and, um, this idea of like up leveling yourself can feel very, very serious and quite grave. Um, whereas, It’s actually because of my experiences really this year with cancer and what’s happened with my family, I think I’ve adopted a bit more of a bit like how I did when I had to think about like chemo and all alternative remedies, you know, you have to really kind of put your thinking cap on.

And yeah, it also kind of deconstructs quite a lot of the things that you’ve been taught. And I do believe that you can have a lot of fun and still be holistic, but still go to Miami and go clubbing and have the best time of your life.

Clare: Amazing. I think that’s the best thing for yourself. So tell us about your hair now.

So what is your hair like since it’s been growing back? Your hair, I think, was it straight before? Yeah, so it was very, very,

Georgia: very straight, like poker straight. Couldn’t, you know, curl the batons and it’ll be flat within an hour. So, I was told it might come back, um, it might come back curly, and I didn’t believe it, but it has.

It’s come back curly, you can see. Yeah, so it’s um, but weirdly, so it came back very very curly and then now I think it’s coming straight again So it’s coming from the root straight. So there’s these curls at the bottom. So it’s a bit weird. It’s a bit chaotic But it’s just so exciting Weirdly to be growing your hair like it really really feels so exciting when it comes back like your kind perspective of of hair changes like before chemo and then after chemo it’s And your perspective on short hair and I was really dreading the kind of awkward regrowth because Short hair is not to my kind of personal style kind of dreading it a little bit, but actually it’s I’ve just learned to completely embrace it and Just enjoy like the different stages because it changes so quickly.

Yes, it’s me and also, just To keep a perspective about it because losing your hair is obviously like it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s an upsetting process, especially because it’s happening under such a kind of, um, sad circumstance and it’s not in your control. However, I think I’ve been reminded time and time again that it’s a temporary loss.

It will come back. And that really helped me. not spiral into kind of, um, too much sadness or too much despair about my hair. And I really wanted to keep grounded about my hair. I didn’t want to obsess about it and go mad about it and just try and enjoy. It like coming back but there are obviously moments where you feel a bit like oh god I just want my long hair back or you see people with their amazing flowing locks in the street and you’re like Oh god, when will it be like that?

Clare: I know but you know what? I think you’ve embraced it with such grace as well And and I think for anyone listening who’s going through this or facing this It is temporary. Your hair will come back and I think it’s to try, because obviously I’m someone that always likes long hair as well. And I think it must be, you know, you have to kind of embrace every phase of it, like from growing back from very short to mid length and it will get there.

And it does change and it’s just really the chemo obviously leaving your body and the cells are slower in the hair follicle to change, which is why it usually starts off curly. But now, as you said, it’s starting to come back straighter. It will return to what your hair was. Before it just takes time. So I think to enjoy the curly hair for a while.

Enjoy

Georgia: the curly hair, embrace the curly hair method, the curly

Clare: girl method. Yes.

Georgia: Yes. I mean, like reading up on that and, you know, you just sort of throw yourself into it. And then like when I was in Miami, I had, I have now long enough hair that I can just about slick it back. And so I bought a fake ponytail, a really long ponytail when I was in Miami and that felt so good.

It felt really glamorous. So, you know, and I’ve never done that. Before, and I wasn’t really into extensions or anything like that, but now it’s the time to sort of, to get into it. And I think there’s also this fear that you’re going to have your hair snatched away from you again. I think that is a fear.

So at the beginning I was a bit hesitant to buy products or to sort of invest in my hair. Whereas now I think as it gets longer, a there’s a necessity because if I do nothing to it, it looks bonkers.

And then so you can’t kind of not invest in it and then be kind of, it’s part of the process of accepting that, um, you are, you are healthy and, and to kind of believe that you are on the path of, of health.

Clare: Yes. And recovery, which is amazing. Um, and so what I, and as I said, I’m going to ask you, what do you think your hair personality is?

So if you were to have a hair personality right now. What do you think it would be?

Hmm, I

Georgia: think it’s like, it’s a bit, she’s quite

Clare: sneaky. Sneaky? A bit sneaky, like, not, um,

Georgia: Like, really, very independent. Okay, okay. Cannot be managed. Oh, okay, yeah. Like, yeah, fiercely independent, like, will not take shit from anyone, like, completely has her own mind. I

Clare: can see that, I can see you’re very focused, very, I can tell that. Yeah. Do you think the old Georgia was, um, with the long hippie dippie, as you said, the hair?

Do you think that was your hippie dippie personality? Are you going to go back? Do you want to have your hair really long again? Is that it? Is that an aim?

Georgia: You know what? I don’t know. I do miss, I do miss it. I do. Because I think… It was, I don’t know, so long and fab. I really, really loved it. But you know what?

Before I, um, did, before I lost my hair to chemo, I, I sort of created this, these stepping stones and kind of hair rituals to prepare me for the loss and part of that was cutting my hair. Um, and at first it was a bob and then I did a kind of really short sort of miley kind of hair. Yeah, um, which I really recommend to people if anyone’s listening to this and going through cancer treatment and will lose their hair.

I really felt that though, doing that was very, very helpful. Um, so, and anyway, when I cut the bob, I actually really liked it and I thought it looked really fresh. And yeah, I just, Thought it looked good. So I’m, I’m really looking forward to my hair becoming a bob and then kind of seeing how that looks and then because the in between phase is also quite annoying, isn’t it?

When it’s between a bob and really long. Yeah, it

Clare: is. You can always add pieces as well. You can always even get some clipping pieces for around the sides and to, to kind of fill in the areas that are not growing as quick to get you that length of a bob, if you really want that. So yeah, and there are great wigs for nights out as well.

If you just want to embrace that, that look.

Georgia: So I think there’s you can

Clare: do. And like, you can see, I don’t know if you can see

Georgia: here, but like the kind of, my hairline hasn’t quite come back in the way that it used to. I’ve got a lot of baby hairs at the front and I don’t know if that’s going to come back or, you know, or what really but again just trying not to focus too much on that really just kind of try and focus on the fact that I have hair and at the moment I’m really relying on kind of pushing it back off my face because again.

If I don’t do that, I would just look kind of, it’s just, it’s all a bit mad.

Clare: It’s kind of mad, crazy, embrace the curls, wild. Maybe that wildness is, is, because that’s in you, I can see. So I think embracing that wildness is, I can see that there’s that strong wild. Curly curly girl could be just another fabulous phase right until you get to the barb, which is a bit more serious Don’t you think so?

Georgia: Very much like I’m a mature lady

Clare: Child just trying to get out so it’s yeah now it’s very much like a wild which is kind of appropriate I think because I definitely love it, especially what you do and everything. I think the wild child is a, is a good thing. And I can see you and Ibiza very free, the wild hair, even for a holiday and embracing that.

So that’s what I get when I, when I talk to you. So that’s how I feel. So I think go with that. I, I’ve loved speaking with you. Can you tell me what is next for you? What, where can everyone find you? First of all, what’s your Instagram handler and all that, if you want to give us that information.

Georgia: Sure. So my Instagram handle is georgias, so G E O R G I A S.

underscore spot, uh, because my kind of brand name is gspot, which is a play on the gspot, um, which that wasn’t the name of my blog. And, uh, so that is gs spot. co. uk. Um, and that’s actually, um, what’s next for me is I’m updating my website and I’m, I’ve kind of gone back to my, to like my beginnings. It’s weird when you go through this.

It’s a huge experience, you know, it’s a bit of a reckoning and it really makes you kind of pause and, and think about your life and how you want to lead it and, you know, make a few different adjustments, I guess. Uh, so I really felt that I’ve, I’ve missed my blog, I’ve missed, I love writing and it was a huge outlet and, um.

Creative output when I was ill and I really want to do more writing and So i’m kind of redeveloping my blog and kind of updating it because I started it when I was in my mid 20s It doesn’t quite represent. Um how I feel now in my early 30s Um fast approaching mid 30s So and I think I You know, I’m going on my own sexual journey, um, again, as a woman post cancer, post everything that I’ve gone through, post grief.

It’s a big, you know, it’s again, it’s, it’s uh, it’s initiation, and it’s something to grow through, and I don’t think there’s much… work being done for people and their sexuality after cancer. So that’s something that I’ll be focusing on and wanting to support people through.

Clare: I think that’s great. That’s absolutely wonderful because I don’t think there is anything out there for women trying to get their confidence back, um, after cancer and particularly in that arena for sure.

I don’t think it’s talked about at all. I, you know, so I think it’s talked about. Yeah, no, not much. No. So that, that’s amazing that you’re doing that and, and it comes, you know yourself what you’re talking about and your personal experience. So it, it really comes from a great place. So I wish you the very, very best of luck with that.

And thank you so much for coming on. I’ve really enjoyed talking to you. I hope that I get to meet you sometime for a coffee in London. Yeah, definitely. Please do. He’s

Georgia: like, it’s like, I did not see that. How new about. My journey or kind of my work. So, yeah, no, I’m so, um,

Clare: so nice to meet you and it’s fascinating.

I love your Instagram. So keep posting, put it all out there and I’ll be very interested to see your journey moving forward and where it takes you. But I wish you the very best of luck with everything. And thank you so much for joining me. And Yes, it was a pleasure. It wasn’t too bad, was it? It was like, it was like riding a bike, just like I

Georgia: said.

It’s actually really great to kind of um, I think when you’re kind of coming on as a sexual expert, there’s quite a lot of pressure to be this sort of like guru with all the answers, whereas actually, it’s really nice to just have a bit more

Clare: chat. That’s what we’re about here with Clare, girly chat and just your experience and you really helped a lot of people today.

So, thank you. So much for coming on. Thank you. No worries.​